Friday, August 04, 2006

Quotables: Bible

As God's chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience. Bear with each other and forgive whatever grievances you may have against one another. Forgive as the Lord forgave you. And over all these virtues put on love, which binds them all together in perfect unity.

Let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, since as members of one body you were called to peace. And be thankful. Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly as you teach and admonish one another with all wisdom, and as you sing psalms, hymns and spiritual songs with gratitude in your hearts to God. And whatever you do, whether in word or deed, do it all in the name of the Lord Jesus . . .

-- Colossians 3:12-17

Only six verses there, but what a world of instruction and admonishment they hold. Maybe we should go into this weekend with this passage in mind.

A pastor friend e-mailed me and recommened the book of 1 Peter also. I'm soooo glad he did. Take some time to read it, if you will. It's not long; only five chapters. You can probably read it, as I did, in about 20 minutes or less. (You may want to take a bit more time to get the most out of it.) But it speaks so much to our situation and to general spiritual issues surrounding and permeating the conflict. (There's even talk of elders towards the end, for those asking "where are the elders in the Bible?")

So there you go: Colossians chapter 3 and The 1st Epistle of Peter. Good stuff.

One more post later today and then radio silence for the weekend . . .


At 9:22 AM, Blogger judas icarus said...


Amen! Amen! Amen! - to all three Quotables posts.

Nothing like getting out the dusty (or not so dusty for some) Bible and settling in for quiet moment of reflection with Peter.

In reflection:

It's uncanny to me... how one person calling himself a pastor, and by his own volition, would or could strike the public match that started this blaze.

Perhaps it's just another sign of the contemporary times we live in. I'm finding it hard to find any relevant stories in the Bible that is comparable to the issues and actions surrounding the David Foster debacle?

I know there are accounts of rebellious people... or folks like David, who sinned and was no saint at times, but are there any biblical character(s) or biblical churches that have gone through the machinations we have witnessed over the past few weeks... (and/or months)?

Are we living in a time where any pastoral-called person can and will put themselves and the ones they say they love and sheperd through this sort of thing.... willfully, without repentance.... without reservation?

I know we all can't be snow white, without blemish... but when it hits close to home... it always feels like... "this couldn't happen to us"... or... "maybe everyone is just screwed up and that's the way it is".

I'm not without hope... but I often feel like we are witnessing in this generation... such a dilution of the authentic commission church leaders (i.e. Pastors/Preachers/Evangelists) have been given via the Gospel Of Jesus Christ... and it is central to the many scandals/divisions in out contemporaty churches. But maybe it's just like the news.... and how the media and information hubs make it seem like there is calamity everywhere. Those that have come before us dating back to B.C/A.D didn't have to deal with the flow of immediate and non-stop information we deal with now. Is that it? Is that why?

In conclusion:
I want to make it easy for seekers/those that need reconciliation with God through Jesus... but when it turns about like this... where those babes in Christ among us act and behave like they have.... because they have been given some skim milk.... I can't help believing that we are somehow doing them a disservice by watering down the Gospel.

Perhaps I ramble on here.... I'm trying to look beyond this weekend and the next and the next and the next... and perhaps I shouldn't.

Anyway.... I will check back in after radio silence has been broken this coming Monday/Tuesday?


I told someone once that I sometimes wish I had lived in the time of Jesus' life and I couldn't wait to get to heaven because I wanted to hang out and talk with Paul and Peter and Mark and Luke and John.... because of the issues and situations they dealt with in their time.... and I was met with a smile and these words:

"You know, those guys may be anticipating meeting us, too! We are living in exciting, challenging times, too... and they are watching us and probably wish sometimes they could be living in our time."

Kind regards,

C. Evan Leonard

At 10:06 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...


Your thinking is well informed scripturally and I enjoy reading your comments.

This issue can't be resolved with a mea culpa from one side or the other. Lessons have to be learned from this. IMO, ministerial leadership has to cease for David. Even his public speaking ( all it's been ) should cease as running one's mouth isn't essential to the Kingdom. In short, he shouldn't have a high paying career as a confuser.

On the Elder/ governing end, it should be examined why so man compromises were made in un-scriptural ways. Decisions were made on feelings and worldly judgements up to and, perhaps after the firing. In my judgement decisions were often made solely on financial reasons for Church health. Where was the trust in God there ?

This fight against the Devil's counterfeiting is like the war on terrorism, it doesn't end with some peace initiative. Be watchful !

At 10:53 AM, Blogger judas icarus said...

hey, anonymous.... you call me Chuck? As if you know me... and perhaps I know you? Yes? No?


What'ya been doing? How's your mommanem?

Who the heck are you???? : - )

C. Evan Leonard (Chuck)

At 12:19 AM, Blogger judas icarus said...

One last post from me.... before Sunday.... and then I await what this weekend and the weeks ahead will bring....

One thing I am noticing... for the most part... on these blogs and such.... is that those that are rationale are willing to listen to the other side and gather a fuller understanding of how everyone feels.... respecting their right to their feelings.

The irrational lot.... and, sorry to say... they are on both sides of this situation (though there might even be three sides... or four.... depending on how you interpret what is being blogged).... seem less open to another perspective... opinion... feeling and what have you.

Responses become curt, haughty... and even downright nasty..... many are borderline threatening in nature....

I find that to be a reflection of the microcosm that is Christianity... really.

Because.... I think the level of rationality is relevant to the depth, knowledge and seeking of the true understanding of the Word of God... what we all call the Bible. And, how it has been applied.... along with some other things... to our lives....

I've used the phrase "inch-deep and mile wide" Christianity relating to seekers or babes in Christ... which simply says... it looks big and deep because it is so wide.... and it's hard to tell the actual depth... and they're all giddy and splashing around and having fun... until you step in there..... well... not actually step... more like slush through there.... : -) (don't anybody get mad now... okay!)

Beneath still waters might be a good phrase for the longer-standing, farther trekked, calmer, at peace and more familiar with the Word of God... Christian.... and that still water looks kind of smallish, boring even... no big deal.... it ain't a mile wide... usually.... unless in a collective sense... and unless the water is real clear.... you can't tell how deep it really might be... and that's kind of scary for some and not so inviting.... 'cause we all like to be able to stand up in a pool... don't we? Getting in over our heads is risky and frightening to some.... to some it's not... (listen to Stephen Curtis Chapman's DIVE... sometime.)

So, some have the capicty to dive in deep... and some would need a spiritual broken neck repaired... if they were to attempt a head-first dive into an inch-deep understanding, thinking/hoping they might come out with the same understanding that can be found at a deeper depth....

So... how do these two Christians communicate with each other.... how do they resolve this level difference....?

They can't.... but they all can let Christ speak through them.... and... I would really like to see more of that... I guess... that way... it eliminates some of the stuff that is really unneeded and unnecessary to make a point... or offer up a thought....

And having said that.... I may have to go and look at all I've said/posted... in jest, in earnest and in hopes of speaking the truth.... to be sure that someone maybe different than me... or with a different understanding than me.... would clearly understand... and not be offended by my personal, individual depth....

Ah... go ahead and say it.... I'M ALL WET.... go ahead... it's okay.... C. Evan IS ALL WET!!!!!

slosh... slosh... slosh... slosh......

Kind regards,

C. Evan Leonard


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